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So I'll do that and I will send that. So ah, right now what it looks like: I do the image for Artweek, and the same one sent to Stride, and ah, develop the site so you can collect stuff electronically immediately. So as soon as Diana puts out the press release we can also send out an electronic press release with all the URLs so that people can find us and participate.
O.K.
Well, what I'll do is ah, on your site I'll have a secret spot where I'll email to you. so you can check things first before they get posted.
Oh, that's neat! Yeah. Boy, that's really neat. I like secret spots.
Yeah, I like that too.
Next we have, "Collecting responses from web site."
Can you router out all the little dots on this black and white one?
Oh, yeah, Like I can take you back and show you the process and it's really just a ...It's a knife that's computer controlled so ...I mean we have done things this intricate. We did the space centre in Vancouver.
Oh.
Depending on the scale of the material that you're converting into half tones that will determine the size of the dots, I think.
Or you could change the scale of the image on the computer before you use the dots.
Yes. Now again I'm not sure wheter it was a case fo changing the scale of the half tone screen. I bet you could do that as well.
Yeah.
So maybe it's a case of working with both. But Iknow that I was interested in taking the half tone process and stretching it right up to it's upper limits. So, in fact, the dots broke down into squares. So we were right down to pixels.
What file would you need it in?
JPG.
Yeah. It's saved as JPG.
Oh, perfect. Then we should be able to ouput it.
I have some PC formatted discs that I could put one on to.
How big is this file?
Oh, it's not very big.
Do you have any routering here like that to show me?
There are some signs in the burn room at the back that might work for you.
The burn room?
We've got a room in the back where they actually test the signs before they go out.
Before they send them out.
When we used neon the tubes had to get burned.
A perfect example.
Oh, Yes.
So if it ended here...This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about but these letters would not be illuminated. So what we'd be doing is actually cutting along the contour of the landscape horizon. Then we'd get that illuminated edge.
And then we'd get the sky colour up here. It would be bare paper though, wouldn't it? So I'm wondering if a clear sheet of acrylic over it would work.
We can just put a 2 mm back plate in front of it and mount it. So we could put a plate in front and a plate behind and sandwich it in between.
Yeah.
And then tape the edges of the acrylic together to sandwich it in there. And that way you wouldn't ever have to worry about it fading because the acrylic would protect it.
Yes. Well we could spray it also as extra protection.
Yes. And we could sandwich it between the two tightly so it wouldn't ever shift or anything. And it would be something basically like that with the text down at the bottom Which would be really interesting.
And you would have the mixed blue and green lighting like we saw on the one out there.
If you like that or we could have any colour. The yellow, or any colour that you wanted to pick up in here.
Red and blue might be nice because they...
So these would be holes so if there were holes, you're going to leave little ah, peaks of acrylic untouched here where the dots in the darkest part are so dense that they begin to merge.
The only thing is that there's such a small space in between there, when you look at it with your eye a lot of times what's behind you can't see.
Oh.
Your eye will try to merge it.
Because the light is overpowering.
Because I was thinking that it would blur your eyes.
But out here in these areas it's not so bad because there's more space between the dots.
Well, maybe we should go with outlining the dots then. Do you think that would show?
HI, it's Vera
Hi Vera how're you doing?
Fine.
I woke up again with another thought.
Okay
I realized in the night that the landscape outline that Corrine had there with the phallus was going to be the edge of the cut plastic. I don't think I want a phallus sticking up there.
Ohhh.
So.
O.K.
Just a simple case of trimming off the little bumps, you know.
Ha ha ha. I think i can do that. I can smooth it out so it doesn't look so...
She just told the computer to trace it I'm sure and that's what came up. I mean the machine, not a person, would be cutting out a penis.
Exactly, ha, ha, ha.
Right. But I ah, I still am thinking the routered dots would be very interesting.
Yes.
Oh, they would.
If you can get that double layer of lighted dots, as the viewer moves from side to side the relationships would change.
If you put the text behind, you would get that. You'd definitely get that.
It wouldn't be any different than "We Proudly Serve". Right here, Vera. This is 3D, right?
Yeah.
"We Proudly Serve" and when you put a back plate on you get a shadow anyway.
Yeah.
And when you walk from side to side you can see behind it.
Right.
Like they're floating there.
One where they're outlined and one where their not.
And if I go red and green as bright as that.
What do you think of that, Vera? Outline the dots on the first 2 colours like the Espresso.
Yeah.
And fill the dots like the green layer.
Router them right out.
Yes. And then just router the outlines of the dots on the first acrylic.
Yeah, that's an idea.
And you'll see the colours through but you'll still see that really cool oooo oooo..
Yes. Very impressive. A 3D effect.
Uhm hm.
Yes, well the writing would get, perhaps more confused in that case but if I
Unless you look at it straight on then it would very easy to see.
Yes, and then if we get some good black ink solid writing.
Well, it can be as dark as that Porsche sign right there.
You should never copy somebody else's painting, really. If you're going to --copy off of a photograph it seems to me because you're picking up someone else' s mistakes. Right.
Maybe. What do you call mistakes?
Well, who am I to say? [laughs]
There's more water in these and this water's very different. So is it a mistake?
This is nice water. I like that.
Well, does that make this other one a mistake?
Oh, no It doesn't. It only makes it different from the original--if she was trying to make it like the original. It makes it different from the original. But I know what you're saying.
It depends on your intention when you start. Is your goal not to have any mistakes?
[Laughs] I actually don't know what that mistake is either.
[Laughter]
I gave her this rough print of some text on a piece of paper. That's what we're seeing in the gray here.
She could even do different fonts.
Our printer doesn't print a very good black but this should give you some idea.
I wish I could give you an idea. Here.
The wall's black.
This is paint in here. See there's paint in here too.
Oh, is there?
That will give you kind of an idea.
So it's very subtle.
Yeah. and you can get this printed any time you want.
Right.
That would be really cool.
That one's decided then.
Now would you like us to outline the dots then or would you rather them be filled?
You can router out the whole dot or we can do an outline like that.
Do you have any routering here like that to show me?
Here we go.
With a whole shape routered out.
These ones down here. They're almost 3-D looking.
There are some signs in the burn room at the back that might work for you.
The burn room?
We've got a room in the back where they actually test the signs before they go out.
Before they send them out.
When we used neon the tubes had to get burned.
A perfect example.
Oh, Yes.
So if it ended here...This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about but these letters would not be illuminated. So what we'd be doing is actually cutting along the contour of the landscape horizon. Then we'd get that illuminated edge.
And then we'd get the sky colour up here. It would be bare paper though, wouldn't it? So I'm wondering if a clear sheet of acrylic over it would work.
We can just put a 2 mm back plate in front of it and mount it. So we could put a plate in front and a plate behind and sandwich it in between.
Yeah.
And then tape the edges of the acrylic together to sandwich it in there. And that way you wouldn't ever have to worry about it fading because the acrylic would protect it.
Yes. Well we could spray it also as extra protection.
Yes. And we could sandwich it between the two tightly so it wouldn't ever shift or anything. And it would be something basically like that with the text down at the bottom Which would be really interesting.
And you would have the mixed blue and green lighting like we saw on the one out there.
If you like that or we could have any colour. The yellow, or any colour that you wanted to pick up in here.
Red and blue might be nice because they...
The only thing we have to do with it is rescale it. The only thing we need a computer file for is this one to see if we can get rid of that outlining, the light and keep it as a separate file.
So you mean I should go home and put this on disc with the white separated out from it.
If you can that would be great. Just the white part and one with the background.
And the white part you could make any colour you want because what we'll do is we'll go in and trace that. So you could make that an arbitrary red...
Anything.
Yeah. Just so that it makes it different.
But I prefer to have the file so that we could ouput this, both files so we could output and match the back plate the same, rather that her going and getting it printed and us trying to match them.
Well, that's what I'm saying too but just give us two copies--one without that white, the second copy just with the white.
Yeah, if we have the file.
Yeah, that's the electronic file.
Yeah.
Even a hard copy would be good too.
We did this big huge six by six ah, face that was just unbelievable. I mean it really turned out beautiful. I mean it really depends on ...We can do it but it's going to cost. It's going to cost ah, you know , that much more time.
The price you gave me would accommodate something like this simple ...
It depends on what you're going to...If you just want the outline well, that's not bad but still there's a lot of very, very, intricate patterning in this one.
Well, you see we might achieve these subtle colours in another way, I think. Well maybe with a background screen or maybe some other lighting or it might even be possible to put a light on the top and bottom. That might simulate the subtle colours.
I don't mean in any way that the result should come out exactly like these. I'm just putting these out to be able to find out ah, ...get your viewpoint on it so that when I go home and I work on these some more we'll ...
This one is the one that intrigues me the most and ah, we need to again decide which direction. I mean we can illuminate you know, something that has been screened. And I think that because of this intricacy that probably the best way to go is to choose to screen it and allow what ever colour of light to pick it up. In this case I would maybe suggest using a white light and in that way we can introduce several colours.
In the screening.
Yeah.
Like we could even contour the top of the acrylic to fit that shape which would be kind of interesting. And then have that...Perhaps illuminate it with the blue or the green light and cut the acrylic where this writing is underneath it. Say this is the acrylic that's illuminated and this is non-illuminated behind on the panel.
Yeah.
But actually have it line up so that this follows the same contour as the art piece .
But if there was a third layer and this could sit in front of the contoured one.
The contour would follow the line of that landscape.
And it would be behind this or would I just confine the writing to down here.
We could confine the writing to down here but we could actually cut the acrylic to the shape and cut out like some of the acrylics are actually cut to shape.
Just down there.
Right.
Well, on a bigger piece that much writing could easily fit.
Oh, easy.
And then you'd have...
This leaves it a bit mysterious anyway. There's a gap between the spoken words and the actual image.
So I'll give them a text. What I'm going to do, Vera, just so that you don't have to keep coming back to check things, is I can post it on the internet, send you an URL so you can take a peek at it. There'll be a private place, a little secret spot.
[Laughter]
We can just do that and when we need to get together we can get together.
Yeahhh.
To keep on checking how this going to look, I'll just post it and you can have a look.
So we could have the red, let's say red just for the sake of argument, red, routered dots.
Uhm hm
And then behind that another layer with the text but still see-through and then the wall behind.
Yeah.
But everything's illuminated.
Exactly like the "Espresso Menu". You can see it easier with that one.
See the Espresso Menu. See through it.
Yeah.
Both illuminated. And then wherever you move...From this position it lines up perfectly but when you move to the side...
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